To Be A Fool…

December 18, 2008

Sometimes Love Is “No.”

Molly wrote an amazing post called “Letters to an Abused Soul: When Love Is “No.” Here is an excerpt.

In fact, what do you do when you realize you’ve been conned, regularly, repeatedly, by someone who is literally a mastermind at manipulating? When years of your life were spent being lied to, being twisted, being played? When you thought you were giving your all to something that was living and good, and really your energies and your love and your spirit were being sucked down into a black hole that would never be satisfied, that could never get enough, that would always want more until it finally sucked out the last bit of life you had.

And when, because of your own warped view of what it means to be loving and gracious—perhaps even a view that would be perfectly healthy if you were dealing with a healthy spouse or a healthy church or a healthy friend—you knew that something was wrong, something didn’t feel right, yet, because you thought that love never stopped giving, you let it happen again, and then again, and then again, until it became so normal that you forgot it wasn’t.

I think you get away from that spouse or that church or that friend.

This post did me in.  Hit me right in the gut.  I literally have a stomach ache now.  It brought up a lot of pain I’d thought was behind me, but it is timely because I have a friend in an abusive situation right now, and I’m going to pass this along to her.

Go read the rest of the article, and feel free to come back here and discuss it if you would like to.

Blessings,

HW

September 15, 2008

links for church leavers

Filed under: church dropouts, clb, spiritual abuse — Tags: , , , — HW @ 8:23 pm

I’ve met more people in blog-land who have left church than I ever expected. I’ve come across some links that are either blogs, or ministries that seem to be helpful and ministering to people who are ex-church members for various reasons.

  • Letters From Leavers is a compilation of… well…. letters from those who have left churches for various reasons.
  • Detoxing from Church
  • Lifestream A lot of writings by Wayne Jacobson, and much to explore
  • Jake Colsen You can read So You Don’t Want to Go To Church Anymore online here.  Even my mother has enjoyed this book.
  • The God Journey This is one I’ve just started to check into, but it has podcasts to listen to.

Do you know of any more?  Is there a site or blog that has helped you that you would like to let us know about?

August 23, 2008

we grow and learn

(UPDATED AGAIN, see links at bottom) I was really surprised at the attention my post received about Mike Guglielmucci a few days ago. I shouldn’t be surprised at the impact Mike’s deception, and the Lakeland/Todd Bentley fall have had on people. After all, we personally survived the abuse of our church (CLB) some years ago, and when the pastor fell, we were nearly destroyed. Since then we’ve learned not to put our faith in “men.” Lots of people are hurting, angry, and betrayed, and it will take them time to work through these things. I pray that in the end they will be stronger in their faith, completely healed of this betrayal, and able to seperate “people” from God. And, although it doesn’t make me very popular, I also continue to pray for the healing and restoration of these two men who are suffering very publicly.

As far as the “Charismatic Church” goes, I do feel we are learning and growing, even though it is a painful time for many. Here is a response by Dutch Sheets to the situation surrounding Todd Bentley, Lakeland, and the Apostolic Team. This gives me hope that we may see more transparency and growth come from this than I would have thought.

The news continues to pour in about Mike Guglielmucci’s fraudulent claims of having cancer. The stories of people sending money to him based on the lies are heartbreaking. No wonder people feel so betrayed and manipulated. It is difficult for everyone to find out they’ve been tricked so completely and for so long by a pastor. A Christian.

The “Aidelade Now” news site has a recent article about this, and the video of his song, “Healer” on it, which cannot be found on You Tube anymore.

Two news stories.  One quotes Mike, and one quotes his father.

May 8, 2008

Brokeness and Trust?

Filed under: spiritual abuse — Tags: , , — HW @ 10:06 am

When we are broken by someone or something, how does trust come back into play? When we have been abused, how do we become healed and able to move past that and into a new situation without the remnants of the old holding us or determining our reactions?

Like a person who is beaten regularly and then placed in a new home… do we duck when someone reaches out to give us a hug? Or fight back when we feel like someone is showing the traits of the abusive people from the past?

I have seen children who are so sure they will be abused or abandoned again that they push a new family to the breaking point. Or they push because they need proof that they are accepted, so they ‘test’ their new family to see if it is really true that they are loved no matter what. If the new family fails, they become more sure that they are not worthy of love.

I see adults doing the same. I have one dear friend who loves the Lord, but when she is around other Christians she uses foul language. I know why… she believes that they will reject her, so she gives them a way to do it. And the way she chooses, ensures that she will not be rejected because of “who she is” but rather, “how she acts.” And usually it works like a charm. If it doesn’t work, she starts picking apart their theology, or finding other ways to criticize, until people push her away. I happen to know that this lady has come from a terribly abusive childhood. She is broken, and until the Lord heals the broken places in her, she will continue to force her own rejection.

When we are abused by people who claim to be following Jesus, what is our reaction the next time we walk into a church? And then, if we see some of those same behaviors, should we pretend that it is just all ok? And when it is assumed that we will just “fall into place,” how will we react to that? Is it ok to test the ground in a new church to see if it will hold or if it will crumble?

Can you tell my brain is working overtime today??? :)

April 10, 2008

Can I really fire my God???

Filed under: Church, spiritual abuse — Tags: , , , , — HW @ 2:59 pm

I’ve been on a lot of sites lately of people who have experienced the worst of church.  The abusive pastors who have controlled them, shamed them, kept them down and under.  The abusive churches where the minor is majored on, and the major is ignored or marked as trivial.

A common thread I’ve seen is that these people are firing God!  Huh?  You know… the God that is the task-master.  The one with the impossible rules.  The one that hides around the corner with a club waiting until you break a rule you didn’t even know about, and then jumps out and hits you… and then insists you remain silent and rigidly perfect.  The one who is stern, distant, and severe.

I must admit… it freaked me out a bit.  But these dear people have a point!  If our version of God is like that listed above, then are we serving the God of the Bible?  If we aren’t… then perhaps it isn’t wrong to fire that god… and embrace the REAL one.  Throw the baby out with the bathwater, and start learning about who God REALLY is.  The true Father!

Let’s hear it.  Tell me…. please.  How does this work?

women, leadership, ministry, and abuse

Filed under: Church, spiritual abuse, tobeafool — Tags: — HW @ 1:30 pm

I couldn’t come up with a good title for this, so I just covered everything in one.

One of the blogs I read is having a discussion today about whether there are roles in the church that women cannot serve in due to gender.   The blog is “without wax” and it is one of the blogs I enjoy reading.  Head on over to read and discuss this issue.

The guest blogger, Jenni Catron, made a really interesting statement that I wanted to quote.

I think the challenge here is to quit seeing gender and to begin seeing giftedness.

I find this view (rather than fighting for equality for the sake of equality… but rather encouraging people to use their gifts for the Lord, no matter their gender) very refreshing.  I have a difficult time supporting either side of the argument.  I don’t believe there is an area of the church that a woman cannot serve in… but no church position should be given or held based on someone’s  color, ethnicity or gender… but rather the gifts and callings that God has given to each individual.   I realize also, that this viewpoint alone would have convicted me and burned me at the stake a few hundred years ago.  And even today, in a lot of churches they would LIKE to burn me at the stake for it.  :)

Yesterday after a short discussion with someone about this very topic I realized what causes my knee-jerk reaction of nausea and get-me-the-heck-outta-here in this area the minute I hear “only men are allowed to do that in our church.”   I wrote out an e-mail to them, but never sent it (chicken that I am)… I think I’ll post it here.

My husband and I both (you can ask him) have no desire to step outside of our own callings and try to be something we aren’t (or to not be who we are) just because someone thinks our gender makes us suitable or unsuitable for it.  Trying to fit into a box is death.

Just a bit of history on that point… At our old church (those of you who read my blog know I’m referring to an abusive church we had attended), we were small group leaders.   We had a blast stepping out in what we both were called to do.  I did the ‘leading’ (facilitating) of the group, because I’m comfortable with that, and my husband, who is not an outgoing person,  was a major support and participant and added so much in ministry too.  We work together really well.   I had so much fun getting people involved, spending time with people, and I didn’t even lead worship because there was someone in the group that could.  My husband believes in encouraging me in whatever God calls me to do… and he is really good at it!
One day the pastor’s wife laid into me  for “not letting my husband be the leader, taking over the group, and forcing him to babysit our children while I attended mid-week service alone.”  She also prophesied over me that I would not be used by God until I got my marriage in order.  She asked someone else to replace me permanently on the worship team right in front of me.   I didn’t have a clue what she meant by “out of order”, but I tried!  I asked (begged) my husband take over the group although he didn’t feel it was his calling, and I grew silent.  He was miserable.  I was miserable.

When I finally broke down completely and told him what she had said about 6 months later, he was LIVID!  He was so angry that she had said these things to me.  He told me that I should be who God has called me to be, and that she should not force me into a mold that doesn’t fit me, or force him into a role that he isn’t called to.  He was really irate and upset that she made me feel like I was forcing his own child upon him… he was our son’s father, not some babysitter… and he loved to spend time with him… and he didn’t begrudge me a minute of the church services that were past our son’s bedtime and with his own free will he opted to stay home with his little boy.

To put it bluntly, my husband thought what she said was a bunch of crap.  I love my husband.  Of course, it helps in a lot of ways that he didn’t grow up in a religious home, accepting Christ in his early 20′s… he loves Jesus!   And he is my cheering section, my greatest supporter in life… and my partner!

That is one small part of what happened there, although that one false prophecy did as much damage to me as anything else that went on… and it still resonates.  It still holds me.   I know the pastor was very against the other local churches with women pastors… but he had never led me to believe I couldn’t be a small group leader.  I guess we found out, huh?

So when someone starts talking about how women can and cannot do things because of their gender, I start to feel ill… and I sure do want to run the other way!  (Then again, it works the same way in reverse… when someone demands something because of their gender)  I’m a mom and a wife, and I LOVE both of those roles in my life!  I’m also a child of God, a king and priest, and I want to be able to embrace that as fully as is possible for me as well.

I’ve been through enough abuse at the hands of the religious that I’m not even sure I’ll ever stop ducking when the crap starts to fly.  I’ll probably always walk with a limp.   I’ll always fight the tendency to run when I hear the slightest rattle of chains. But I won’t go back in the box!!!

Hopefully you heard my heart.  I’m not trying to start a debate here about women in ministry.  You can always go over to the Without Wax blog to put in your 2 cents if you feel a strong need to.  There have been many books and teachings regarding the Bible and this topic, so I won’t argue that with you either.

I’m just trying to be me!   And as much as I like people’s approval, I’m no longer going to be devastated if you disapprove.  I’ll never be another Joyce Meyers… but I can be the woman God made me to be.  Besides… my husband not only agrees with me, but encourages me in it.  So if you want a “man” to discuss it with, take it up with him.  :)

April 9, 2008

great quote

Filed under: spiritual abuse — Tags: — HW @ 7:16 pm

Another blogger, 7catz, left these words in a comment that I just have to share.  In regards to leaving an abusive church, catz writes…

I never gave up on Her, I gave up on something disguised as Her. I gave up supporting something that had more passion for itself than it did for Christ.

That just says it all….

April 3, 2008

The Father’s Heart

Filed under: Church, ramblings, spiritual abuse — Tags: , , , — HW @ 11:13 am

At the leadership conference we just returned from, one of the key speakers was Tony Fitzgerald. He leads the Apostolic Team that serves a family of churches known as Church of the Nations. He also was a speaker on the video I posted on this blog about “Simple Church” or, house church, and we didn’t even realize that until later!

We’ve been hearing a lot about spiritual mothers and fathers… I recently bought Larry Krieder’s book, The cry for Spiritual Fathers & Mothers, that I haven’t even read yet, but that is what keeps drawing my attention… that need in my OWN life, as well as the need I see all around me for mothers and fathers.

Tony taught about becoming “sons” of the Father. I’m not sure what the official title of his message was. The conference was about the “Kingdom of God.” But the end result of his message was a ministry time of receiving the Father’s Blessing. It is amazing to realize how many years we spend trying to get God’s approval and love, when it is already there for us.

So the message was over, and I had cried throughout most of it. I was one of the first to the alter, with the pain from years of feeling fatherless. From years of striving and years of trying to get love. And years of being knocked down everytime I tried to get up. I can tell you that a person gets tired of that after awhile, and eventually staying down seems better than trying to get back up once more.

It was amazing that I was also the first person that Tony came to minister to, telling me that this was MY night, MY time for healing. I’ve never felt that kind of love… that God would choose me out of the crowd… and the crowd was full of leaders. Who was I? Nobody. And I knew from years of hurt that I truly was NOBODY! Amazing how God will take a nobody and call them his child.

We aren’t even in leadership at the moment, and we basically invited ourselves along to the conference because we felt God wanted us to go. (hope that doesn’t upset any of you wonderful DOVE people)  They very graciously allowed us to tag along. We’d been to the conference twice in the past when we were in leadership years ago, but then we moved from the area, and have only been back a few months. Even getting out of the house was a miracle, because with 4 children it isn’t easy to leave for a day, let alone 2 nights and 3 days!

At the end of that intense ministry time, Larry Kreider walked through and prayed a father’s blessing over each one of us, and that was powerful! (it was DOVE Christian Fellowship International conference, and Larry is the International Director. This is the network our church is a part of)

I’ve talked a lot on here lately about Spiritual Abuse. Tony mentioned in his message that night that he too has been spiritually abused. He mentioned that he no longer looks at people’s actions, which can be rehearsed… but at their reactions to things, which are harder for someone to mask. That has quite often been my husband’s and my statements to one another, that the reactions were what was so hurtful to us in the abusive church. Everything “seemed” so nice, but then when a conflict arose, the reactions were abusive. So what he said certainly resonated within me.

I’m heading over to Church of the Nations resource page to listen to some more of Tony Fitzgerald’s teaching…. I haven’t previewed these…. but I want to learn more.

Love,

Heidi

March 29, 2008

So what does spiritual abuse look like?

Filed under: spiritual abuse — Tags: , , , — HW @ 10:21 pm

In this post I’m going to talk about what spiritual abuse is, and some of the characteristics of an abusive church. There is so much information now about this topic that you can find.

When we were first trying to figure out what was happening to us, we happened across a book. One little book that began to open our eyes to why we were feeling uncomfortable about the things we would hear the pastor say and do, and why we felt manipulated and unable to think for ourselves.

Ok, so what exactly is “Spiritual Abuse?”

One website set up to help victims of physical abuse defines abuse as “a pattern of coercive control that one person exercises over another”. This can be physical, emotional or sexual, and I believe that spiritual abuse follows this same pattern in the “spirit” of the people it hurts.

Jeff VanVonderen gives this definition:

“Spiritual abuse occurs when someone in a position of spiritual authority, the purpose of which is to ‘come underneath’ and serve, build, equip and make God’s people MORE free, misuses that authority placing themselves over God’s people to control, coerce or manipulate them for seemingly Godly purposes which are really their own.”

We’ve all heard horror stories of cults holding some kind of control over the people who belong. This is spiritual abuse (and probably emotional… possible physical and sexual). But it doesn’t have to be a “cult” or something “so far out there” to be abusive. One site I was on said that the theology can even be good, but if the leaders aren’t healthy, the church can still be abusive.

The Bible has some things to say about leaders who are not operating under God’s authority, but their own.

Jeremiah 5:30-31 we read, “An astonishing and horrible thing has been committed in the land: the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own power; and My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?”

Jesus was very harsh with the religious Pharisees, saying…

“They tie up heavy loads, hard to bear, and place them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves will not lift a finger to help bear them.” Matt. 23:4 (Amplified Version)

There seem to be some very common warning signs that a church is unhealthy, and probably involved in spiritual abuse. I’ll give you Jeff VanVonderen’s 7 characteristics of spiritually abusive systems from the book he co-authored with Pastor David Johnson, pastor of The Church of the Open Door in Minneapolis, Minnesota, entitled “The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse.”:

(1). Leaders in spiritually abusive systems spend a great deal of time power-posturing by focusing on their “authority” and reminding others of it.

It is called posturing because the authority does not flow from genuine, godly character, but rather it is postured. As a result, a great deal of time is spent by these abusive leaders convincing others of their influence, expertise, longevity and how much authority they have and much everyone else is supposed to submit to it. The fact that they are eager to place people “under” them in submission — under their word, under their “authority” — is a sign of an abusive system. Jesus taught as one who actually had authority, not as the scribes who postured authority (Matt. 7:28).

(2). In abusive religious systems there is a preoccupation with performance.

The Bible tells us not to be conformed to this world but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds (Romans 8:1). Conformed means “squeezed from the outside in” while transformed means “changed from the inside out.” In a spiritual abusive system there is little focus on relational discipleship, or the heart of the Christian, but rather, there is an emphasis on meeting quotas, obtaining goals, and increasing numbers, and then pretending as if one’s performance were the measure of one’s spirituality.

(3). In spiritually abusive systems people’s lives are controlled from the outside by rules, spoken and unspoken.

One unspoken rule in an abusive system, according to Jeff, is “never disagree with authorities.” Rules like this remain unspoken (no official policy) because to examine them in the light of mature dialogue would instantly reveal how illogical, anti-Christian and unhealthy they are. Silence becomes the wall of protectiton, shielding the abusive authoritarian from scrutiny or challenge. The way this unspoken rule of silence is maintained is very simple according to Dr. VanVonderen: the person who speaks about a problem must become the problem. The person becomes the problem by being accused of being arrogant, angry, unloving and other Christian adjectives to attempt to keep the silence maintained and discredit the person who raises the issues that need addressing.

Jeff compares this abusive spiritual system to the “pretend peace” of Jeremiah’s day when the prophets cried ‘peace, peace’ when there is none. A healthy church or organization affirms that all topics are open for discussion, and on some points there will be a determination to agree to disagree. Christians should be able to disagree and still fellowship and cooperate with each other in a spirit of love and humility.

(4). In spiritually abusive religious systems the mundane becomes the essential, the vital becomes trivial, and the real needs of real people are neglected for the sake of “agendas.”

Jesus told the Pharisees that in their religion “they neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice, mercy and faithfulness” and ended up being “blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!” (Matthew 23:23-24).

(5). In an abusive religious system those in charge believe that “others will not understand what we’re all about, so let’s not let them know, or else we will be falsely ridiculed or attacked.”

This abusive system of religion works on two assumptons: (1). What we say, know, or do is a result of being more entlightened than others; (2). Others will not understand unless they become one of us; and (3). Those who are not one of us are not with us, and therefore, are our enemies. It is an “us” vs. “them” mentality within an abusive religious system.

(6). In a spiritually abusive religious system there is a demand that loyalty be to the organization and not necessarily the Kingdom of God.

The mentality that prevails is “we alone are right.” Because of this, anyone who speaks out against the direction of the organization is considered disloyal and is either silenced or removed. Tactics used, according to Dr. Jeff VanVonderen, include (1). threats, (2). slander, (3). humiliation, (4). and shame in attempts to get the person who questions authority to “submit” or leave the organization.

(7). In abusive religious systems secrecy is prevalent and openness and transparency are rarely seen.

What is important to these abusive organizations is the maintaining of secrecy. Real problems are never addressed. Real issues are never faced. Some even believe secrecy is necessary to protect “God’s good name.” So how things look and what others think becomes more important than what is real.

It is secrecy and using “spiritual” code language that makes spiritual abuse “subtle.” The subtle power of spiritual abuse would not be subtle if things were in the open or if people spoke in language that got to the point and did not obfuscate the problem with flowery spiritual code words that have no real sense or meaning.

(I’m sorry, I totally lost the reference to the blog I pulled this from)

Personally we have experienced this. Yes, much of this sounds very familiar. How could we not see the abuse? Good question. We were young, and didn’t know what healthy was. My husband was newly saved, and I had grown up in a very legalistic family. I thought this was what freedom looked like! The leader in our situation was very charasmatic, and ‘acted’ very humble about being the authority…. but if you disagreed you were divisive, and had a critical spirit. Spiritual elitism was rampant (our church is the only one doing it right), and anyone who left was said to have a “rebellious spirit, and “we don’t go after rebellious people.” He and his family were the only ones who were allowed to have a position on the worship team… and when the church grew too large for that, and his children moved away, he only allowed a select few to be chosen. If he was out of town, there was a list of people who weren’t allowed to help with the service just in case the associate pastors asked someone to help. When he had a moral failing, it was covered up to the point that only a very small group of people know it happened at all. When his wife used her position to really hurt people, he would accuse the person injured of having a critical spirit, and he would not hear anything said against his wife. It sounds noble, but it was enabling her to be very cruel to people. If the sound system wasn’t working correctly, he would stop the entire service and yell at the sound guy until it was fixed to his satisfaction. He was accountable to no one.

Anyway… we didn’t know until we were out of it, and finally realized that we had done nothing to deserve it. We weren’t perfect, I’m not saying that! Maybe sometime I’ll tell you the story of what finally made us leave. I have it all typed out…. I just can’t hit publish.

If you have been abused in a church, or if you are being abused, find someone you can talk to and break the cycle!

Here are some links to articles and information you can read.

Recovering From Spiritual Abuse

Five Warning Signs of an Unhealthy Church

Spiritual abuse.From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Warning Signs of Spiritual Abuse, Part One

Warning Signs of Spiritual Abuse — Part Two

Warning Signs of Spiritual Abuse — Part Three

Beware of “Spiritual Abuse”


Can a spirit be wounded?

Filed under: spiritual abuse — Tags: , , , — HW @ 10:09 pm

I was thinking today that perhaps a lot of people don’t really know what spiritual abuse is. I really hope you don’t.

Spiritual abuse is (just like any other kind of abuse) the misuse of power, privilege, or authority. We all understand how damaging emotional abuse is… or physical abuse… or sexual abuse, right? But can our spirits be damaged? What exactly is our spirit?

Many Christians believe that people are made up of three parts. Soul (the will, emotions and intellect… the personality), Body (the physical sheath), and Spirit. The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary defines Spirit as “that part related to worship and divine communion.”

According to an article I’m reading, Watchman Nee taught about the spirit in this way…

“… EVERY communication of God with man occurs there. The spirit has three main functions: conscience, intuition and communion.” These three functions are then defined:

“The conscience is the discerning organ which distinguishes right and wrong; NOT, however, THROUGH THE INFLUENCE OF KNOWLEDGE stored in the mind but rather by a spontaneous direct judgment….”

Intuition is the sensing organ of the human spirit…. that knowledge which comes to us WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM THE MIND, emotion or volition comes intuitively….”

Communion is worshiping God. The organs of the soul are incompetent to worship God. GOD IS NOT APPREHENDED BY OUR THOUGHTS, feelings or intentions, for He can only be known directly in our spirits… (Watchman Nee, The Spiritual Man, Vol. I)

The Bible refers to the existence of our spirit separate from our body and soul.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (NIV)
23May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 4:12 (NIV)
12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

If you believe that the spirit is a unique and separate part of a person, then it becomes an issue of whether or not the ‘spirit’ can be damaged. We already know that the physical body can be harmed, and that people can suffer emotional hurt and trauma that can debilitate them. Can we be hurt this way in our spirit?
According to Psalm 34:18 we can be.

18 The LORD is close to the brokenhearted
and saves those who are crushed in spirit. (NIV)

Proverbs 18:14 tell us

“The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity but a wounded spirit who can bear?”
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