To Be A Fool…

March 2, 2010

I’ll love you, even if you don’t attend my church

Filed under: Church, church dropouts, clb, Hope, pastors — HW @ 1:55 pm

So the other day I talked about my experience with people only loving those willing to join their church, or their circle.  I mentioned a specific conversation I had with a person where I was rejected for their ministry because I wasn’t “attending” a church (and even though I explained my health reasons, they didn’t even comment on that, refusing to consider anything except the fact that I didn’t meet their iron-clad ‘criterion’ as a Christian, or a minister)

To understand this post, you really need to go back and read that post, titled:  If you join my church I will love you.

I wanted to do justice to the story however, and tell you the bright side to the story, even though it makes the hurt worse in a way, because it becomes more personal.

After this situation happened, I was so hurt that a few days later I blew up all over my facebook page.  Without naming names or even the circumstances, I mentioned how unhappy I was with religious people who lied, and how I thought that my children shouldn’t even be going to that church if that was how they were going to be.

A few hours later I received a phone call from the pastor of the church.  This is a man I graduated from High School with, and have known for many, many years.  He was the assistant pastor back when this was our home church. The one we left because it was our “abusive” church, and the one we had to walk away from because the senior pastor (who has now been ‘outed’ for reason that have no point to this story, but if you are familiar with our story, you know about) and his wife were horrid and abusive to us.  Anyway, (this man who called) he is now the Sr. Pastor there.

He was very concerned about us, and wondered “What in the world had happened!”  So I told him! I seem to be getting over the years of “silence.”  Un-learning the unhealthy practice of keeping it all in.  :)

He assured me that in no way had the church made the decision that I had to be a part of a church to minister,  and neither was that person nor the director acting as HIS mouth-piece.  He was also fairly positive that the ministry they had “un-invited” me to be a part of, had no such rules.  He also hadn’t heard anything about it, so he wasn’t sure what was what. However, he also offered me the olive branch of belonging…. if I ever came across a similar situation, I should feel free to tell them that I belong (and always belong, no matter if I attend or not) to their church, and he will back me up on that.  No matter how far we go, or even if we go to another church, it always feels to him that we are a part of that church.  Hmm….  And since, he has reached out in a few other small ways that show love in action, not words.

So I just wanted you all to know the flip-side of the story.
In a way it made the lying all that much worse, and more personal… but it also gave me the sense that there is at least one person out there who isn’t hung up on the building and the meetings… but is trying to really love the people.  And if there is one… there is hope there are others.

September 16, 2008

are sheep smarter than originally thought?

Filed under: pastors — HW @ 10:22 pm

This cartoon by David Hayward made me laugh. Mostly because I argue with my mother about sheep and people being dumb.  Well, she says they are, I say maybe not so much.

After I was done laughing I actually found my thoughts taking a different path.  I tend to look at the big picture, and I enjoy looking at things from various sides of an issue.  Many of us have been damaged by churches and pastors.  There are some real issues that have caused lots of us to stop attending an institutional church setting.

I’m not negating that at all.  But there is another side I was thinking about tonight.

Not only do ‘sheep’ have a mind of their own (and their own relationship with Christ), but they also can bite.   I know pastors who have been very hurt by the people in their congregations.  I’m not talking about normal, everyday disagreements, conflicts, or criticisms.  I’m talking about how some people seem to think that a pastor somehow has no human emotions, and they deserve the maximum nastiness that someone can dish out.

One thing I’ve discovered from attending and serving within the IC, is that we can really rip pastors to shreds.

No, a pastor should not abuse, control, manipulate… but neither should believers do so to them.  We often think that our pastor should be all things to us, know all things about us, and always respond appropriately to every situation and need in our lives.

We talk a lot about the damage pastors have done to us.  How many pastors have been damaged because of us?

Just a thought from the flip-side of the story.

September 11, 2008

Naked Pastor Strikes Again

Filed under: fun, humor, pastors — Tags: , , , , , , — HW @ 2:51 pm
Seminary for Porcupine Pastors

Seminary for Porcupine Pastors

I enjoy David Hayward’s website, Naked Pastor.  Often he makes me think.  Sometimes he makes me laugh.  And as much as I hate to admit it, occassionally I don’t have a clue what he is trying to say.

Today he posted this cartoon, entitled Seminary for Porcupine Pastors. This one made me think, laugh, and sadly recall the pastors I’ve heard say “being a pastor is lonely, because we cannot be friends with our sheep.”

I don’t think I agree.  It seems to me that they aren’t “your sheep” and it also seems that Jesus was very close with his disciples.   But I’m not a pastor, so I don’t know from personal experience how easy or difficult this might be.

Do you have any input?

August 23, 2008

we grow and learn

(UPDATED AGAIN, see links at bottom) I was really surprised at the attention my post received about Mike Guglielmucci a few days ago. I shouldn’t be surprised at the impact Mike’s deception, and the Lakeland/Todd Bentley fall have had on people. After all, we personally survived the abuse of our church (CLB) some years ago, and when the pastor fell, we were nearly destroyed. Since then we’ve learned not to put our faith in “men.” Lots of people are hurting, angry, and betrayed, and it will take them time to work through these things. I pray that in the end they will be stronger in their faith, completely healed of this betrayal, and able to seperate “people” from God. And, although it doesn’t make me very popular, I also continue to pray for the healing and restoration of these two men who are suffering very publicly.

As far as the “Charismatic Church” goes, I do feel we are learning and growing, even though it is a painful time for many. Here is a response by Dutch Sheets to the situation surrounding Todd Bentley, Lakeland, and the Apostolic Team. This gives me hope that we may see more transparency and growth come from this than I would have thought.

The news continues to pour in about Mike Guglielmucci’s fraudulent claims of having cancer. The stories of people sending money to him based on the lies are heartbreaking. No wonder people feel so betrayed and manipulated. It is difficult for everyone to find out they’ve been tricked so completely and for so long by a pastor. A Christian.

The “Aidelade Now” news site has a recent article about this, and the video of his song, “Healer” on it, which cannot be found on You Tube anymore.

Two news stories.  One quotes Mike, and one quotes his father.

August 20, 2008

Mike Guglielmucci’s testimony a fraud?

Filed under: fraud, pastors — Tags: , , , , , , — HW @ 11:19 am

8/30 UPDATE:

Here is the video of Today Tonight’s(Australian News Show) interview with Mike. Wow.  Apparently this aired the 25th.

and

Nine News story from 8/26

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UPDATE:  The AOG (Australian Christian Churches Assemblies of God) with whom Mike was a pastor have released an official public statement.  Read it HERE.

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According to a person who commented on my blog, Mike was making up his illness. I asked him for some proof, and he passed along a news story. Some of you may remember the videos about Mike’s song, “Healer” and his testimony around it. Here is a news article by “The Australian” discussing this, and another article by an Australian news site. I’m sure we’ll see more news about this in the coming hours and days. Another source for updates and current links is Wikepedia’s page.

A quote from one of the articles states the following:

“This news has come as a great shock to everyone including, it seems, his own wife and family,” Hillsong general manager George Aghajanian said in an email to his congregation yesterday.

“Michael has confirmed that he is not suffering with a terminal illness and is seeking professional help in Adelaide with the support of his family. We are asking our church to pray for the Guglielmucci family during this difficult time.” (The Australian)

Let’s be praying for the Hillsong people, Mike, his family, and all the people who are going to be affected by this news.

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